CZ 83 Rubber

[andueu]

vand si la civili.teava nu e ghintuita la modelul cu bila de cauciuc dar nu am citit nimic de sicane pe teava.BARREL BORE SMOOTH doar atat.

[imircea]

sa vedem si ce munitie va fi disponibila...

[Nikki]

BARREL BORE SMOOTH doar atat.

Desi asta (nu stiu de ce) imi da palpitatii, doamne ajuta sa fie cum zici tu despre comercializare!!!
Cand mai afli ceva spune-ne si noua, te rog .

[radu.b]

www.czub.cz aici gasiti mai multe informatii despre cz83 interesant de citit si in manualul ce se gaseste afisat acolo.despre reprezentantul din romania gasiti la contact.eu am vb cu cei din romania si au spus ca din 15 februarie au date despre ce pistoale cu bila de cauciuc vor aduce de la cz.
sper sa fie folositoare informatiile

Buna ziua.
Firma de care ati pomenit nu este reprezentant CZ pentru Romania este importator si distribuitor ca si Arrow.
Este exemplul care l-a dat Babanu despre importul de produse subevaluate in declaratia vamala... (fara suparare).
Am sters postarea coordonatelor lor pe considerentul ca daca nu vorbim rau de concurenta, nici reclama nu vreau sa le fac gratis pe site-ul nostru.
Cred ca m-ati inteles .
O zi buna si tinem legatura.
Cu respect.
Radu

[andueu]

Buna ziua
Domnule Radu cu tot respectul daca cititi la sectiunea contacte de pe site-ul celor de la CZ singura firma mentionata ca reprezentanta de vanzari pentru tara noastra este cea de la Oradea.Asta scriu ei asta am citit si daca ei gresesc gresesc si eu .Nu ma priveste ce tensiuni exista sau nu intre firmele de profil din romania .Singurul lucru pe care il vreau este sa-mi achizitionez o arma neletala cu proiectil de cauciuc care sa-mi dea sentimentul de mai multa siguranta.Ca va fi de la dumeavoastra sau de la alta firma are prea putina importanta pentru mine.Caracteristicile produsului,calitatea lui,garantia,fiabilitatea sunt cele care primeaza pentru mine ,pretul e doar un amanunt.

Cu respect
Andu

[andueu]

Donule Radu
,,Contact designated as our company business representation,,
asta spun cei de la CZ depre firma din Oradea.....traduceti dumneavoastra poate eu gresesc.

Cu respect
Andu

[radu.b]

Donule Radu
,,Contact designated as our company business representation,,
asta spun cei de la CZ depre firma din Oradea.....traduceti dumneavoastra poate eu gresesc.

Cu respect
Andu

Buna seara.
Nu ma intelegeti gresit. Nu va fac nici o acuza. Cei de la CZ, pentru ca nu au un unic reprezentant in Romania, pot sa va trimita la orice distribuitor al sau. Puteau fi cei din Oradea, noi sau altul. Acest lucru am vrut sa subliniez.
O seara buna.
Cu respect.
Radu

[imircea]

www.czub.cz aici gasiti mai multe informatii despre cz83 interesant de citit si in manualul ce se gaseste afisat acolo.despre reprezentantul din romania gasiti la contact.eu am vb cu cei din romania si au spus ca din 15 februarie au date despre ce pistoale cu bila de cauciuc vor aduce de la cz.
sper sa fie folositoare informatiile

A sosit si 15 februarie. Mai stiti ceva?

[andueu]

Am vb astazi cu ei si din pacate nu vor aduce nimic de la CZ pe proiectil de cauciuc .Nu au justificat de ce .Poate se va gasi o alta firma care sa faca acest lucru.

[imircea]

In aceasta situatie o sa incerc sa iau legatura direct cu ei, poat reusesc sa import direct. O problema o sa fie in ceea ce priveste munitia, pt ca in acest moment nu exista munitie traumatica de 9mm

[cristib]

Vedeti ca dl Radu a zis ca aduce Arrow daca doriti acest model. Problema e pretul: aproape 30 milioane.

[Bobby B]

[quote="imircea"]In aceasta situatie o sa incerc sa iau legatura direct cu ei, poat reusesc sa import direct. O problema o sa fie in ceea ce priveste munitia, pt ca in acest moment nu exista munitie traumatica de 9mm[/quote]

Daca doriti sa importati direct puteti lua legatura cu Sale Managerul CZ mentionat la inceputul topicului. Va va ajuta cu actele necesare bineinteles contra unor comisioane la care se adauga pretul propiuzis al pistolului EUR 268.00 + acciza de 100%. Este bine de stiut urmatoarele :

""The application for export permit (named in the Czech language Zbrojní průvodní list = ZPL) to the foreign physical persons (including diplomats) must be submit to our local Police Department. According of their requirements our application for this permit shall be completed with:

1) Origin of Romania purchase permit for purchasing of particular gun in the Czech Republic. It has to be made for each person separately. The translation of it to the Czech language, made by Czech authorised translator has to be done. Usually the permit is inserted at the file of the Czech Police and isn’t returned to the buyer. Also, in the past we done notary copy of Romania police permit for our Police, and the original went back with gun.
2) Copy of buyer’s passport, also translated to the Czech language, data of passport – place and date of issuing, name of issuing state body, date of validity. And buyer’s personal data – address of permanent stay, ID number, date and place of birth, native surname.
3) Proformainvoice or invoice - it will be made by us.
4) Further we will need from you Original of Letter of Authorisation to BanzaiLtd. to settle up the delivery, including the permit of the Police of the Czech Republic for permanent export. Also this document will be needed to translate into Czech language.
5) For issuing of export permit has to be paid – 20,- EUR per each gun.
6) For Authorized translations of needed documents into Czech language has to be paid:
From English language………….about 18,00 EUR per one page
From Romanian language……… 25,00 EUR per one page
As Romania is member of EU, the Czech VAT (19%) must be added to invoiced price.
estimated postal fee 55-70 EUR per gun. ""

Mai trebuie facuta o imputernicire care arata cam asa:




Your Address


To:
Police of the Czech Republic



Attn:


Your ref.: Our ref.: PLACE 2008.....





L E T T E R O F A T T O R N E Y




This is to certify that I, ..........(name of buyer), authorise the company BANZAI spol. s r.o., with its head office at Blahoslavova str. No 10/293, 130 00 Prague, Czech Republic, registered in the Czech Commercial Register under No. 18630898, to settle up the delivery of rifle model CZ ......, cal. ...., including procuration of the permit of the Police of the Czech Republic for permanent export.

This authorisation is valid till ..........2008.


……………………………..""


Bafta multa si anunta-ne daca ai reusit sa-l achizitionezi.

Bobby

[Nikki]

Si cu toata alergatura asta, tot undeva in jurul a 25-29 de milioane platesti pe arma! Asa ca eu unul daca ma voi decide sa achizitionez un CZ83 voi apela la Arrow (macar nu fac alergatura cu traduceri si altele, pe langa faptul ca din ce ne-a spus domnul Radu ar exista un tip de munitie de 9mm de cauciuc pe care ar putea sa ne-o procure) .

[sorin mok]

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Postez traducerea unui text rusesc:

By the most curious system of small-caliber ' travmatiki ' from the number of those produced at present in the countries of former ' socialist camp ' me seems pistol CZ 83 p.a. Rubber. This weapon is the modification of pistol CZ of 83 productions of company ' it is Czech Zbroyevka '. CZ 83 - this is compact pistol with the blowback bolt, in its time created as the alternative PM to the role of side arms of the countries of the Warsaw Pact. In contrast to PM, Czech pistol is executed under the cartridge 9 mm "short ' (9khy"), it has two-row capacitor box 12 cartridges, another system of the work of safety device and so forth nevertheless, pistol not was accepted to the armament nowhere, except Czechoslovakia. CZ 83 is supplied for the commercial market for the weapon of Europe and USA. Besides the modifications of the caliber of 7.65 mm (32 ASR) and "gas ' modifications under the cartridge 9 R.A. is produced also the" rezinostrel'naya ' model CZ 83 p.a. Rubber. An external difference in the "rezinostrel'nogo ' pistol from the combat is in the form of the lock: in model "R.A. Rubber ' it is narrowed in the forward section. Information about the design features of Czech ' rezinostrela ' at present is absent, however, it is possible to assume that it too is not differed from analogous Ukrainian pistols and is conventional weapon with the blowback bolt, the stem of caliber of approximately 6 mm, and the construction, weakened in the key places in order to hinder its alteration under the live cartridges. The greatest interest represent TTKH of the cartridges 9 mm Rubber, produced relative to by the young Czech company Libra. According to given, placed on the site of company, cartridge 9 mm Rubber has muzzle energy 128 George with initial velocity 800 m/s. At a distance of 7 are meter energy of bullet it comprises narrower than 24.7 George with the speed of 350 m/s. Thus, cartridges 9 mm Rubber clearly confirm thesis of one of the high rank officers of company Umarex, in their time which stated that TTKH of rubber bullet completely it is possible to bring to TTKH of the bullet of usual cartridge. Possible- that it is possible, but which will come out as a result? Usual 9- mm the cartridge, not less fatal than 380 FSZ or other similar ammunition, and in this case less precise and which is characterized by smaller penetration effect? In the opinion of the author, small-caliber traumatic ammunition with levels of power engineering, similar 9 mm Rubber, with difficulty can be attributed to strictly the "traumatic ' weapon

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Se pare ca are performante deosebite doar daca se foloseste munitie ceheasca marca Libra.
http://www.snailteam.cz/an/vyroba_streliva_an.html
http://www.libraas.com/20-strelivo.html
Interesant e ca respectivul proiectil are la gura tevii 128J, dar la 7m, 25j! Se pare ca proiectilul de cauciuc pierde extrem de rapid viteza, din cauza proprietatilor balistice de neinvidiat.


Cehii mai fac si o varianta mai moderna ca design:
http://www.czub.cz/index.php?p=32&idp=1 ... 69&lang=en

[imircea]

Si cu toata alergatura asta, tot undeva in jurul a 25-29 de milioane platesti pe arma! Asa ca eu unul daca ma voi decide sa achizitionez un CZ83 voi apela la Arrow (macar nu fac alergatura cu traduceri si altele, pe langa faptul ca din ce ne-a spus domnul Radu ar exista un tip de munitie de 9mm de cauciuc pe care ar putea sa ne-o procure) .

Pai l-as cumpara maine de la Arrow dar... il au? Il vor aduce? Vor aduce si munitie?