MUNITIE 10X22T

BARTHY 2 · Post by **BARTHY 2** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:34 pm

flexibil29 wrote:Daca tot este vorba de carcoteala sa fiu si eu carcotas pana la capat Daca este cineva aici pe forum care stie macar "o boaba" de rusa sa gaseasca si sa posteze link-urile cu munitia 10X22T de la techcrim ,insa vreau sa apara 3 link-uri (conform tabelului) cu cele 3 munitii despre care tot vorbiti .Eu cat am cautat nu am gasit concret nici o munitie de 10X22 care sa dezvolte acei 50 si 70 J din tabel ci doar 35 j.Sunt foarte curios.........

se pare ca nu este vorba de trei tipuri de munitie ci de unul singur iar valorile date pe tipuri de pistoale sunt cele obtinute in urma testelor cu armele respective; sa intelegem ca walther-ul are o constructie care nu permite iesirea bilei din teava cu viteza mare?

sorin mok · Post by **sorin mok** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:37 pm

BARTHY 2 wrote:"If on our forum who owns - that writes in the special section. In Russian FEDERATION this pistol is not certificated. you look in the Ukrainian forums.
although in fact from "Mauser" that firm must differ nothing - the same"

asta este o traducere (aproximativa) din rusa despre rg88; am gasit-o pe un forum; va dau si adresa :
http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/46/280534.html

asa ca......

Asa ziceam si eu acum putin timp, dar RaduB sustinea ca se vinde in Rusia si cine sunt eu sa-l contrazic??

BARTHY 2 · Post by **BARTHY 2** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:40 pm

tehcrim wrote:10x22t tester cartridge
Pressure of gunpowder gases 58,5 Mpa

tehcrim wrote:10x23t the Tester cartridge
Pressure of gunpowder gases 71,5 Mpa

uite de unde apare diferenta de putere intre cele doua munitii; bila este aceeasi ( 0,7g)

sorin mok · Post by **sorin mok** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:40 pm

58 Mpa inseamna 580 Bari sau 580 atm. Nu stiu daca e mult sau putin. Tind sa cred ca e mult.

Edit.
Revin> 580 atm inseamna o presiune de 591kgf pe cm (patrat).

BARTHY 2 · Post by **BARTHY 2** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:13 pm

v-am mai tradus in engleza o discutie intre rusnaci despre rg88; e preluata de pe :
http://www.arsenalnoe.ru/forum/viewtopi ... d=1203&p=2

arsenalnoe.ru/forum wrote:@Hello travmatiki lovers, and more precisely rezinostrelov. I ask all who knows something or rezinostrelom ROHM Rg88 owns 10x22t, to bequeath the opinion regarding him. Vsya-vozmozhnaya infa interests about this devayse: material of assembling of corps and entrails, quality, durability, longevity, power, rapidity of fire, sizes, as works (klinit or not, sticking, utykaniya, misfires and all that), at vladel'cov it is desirable to know the game shooting, what to shoot and as devays shoots. In other all that related to ROHM Rg88 10x22t. The reviews of vladel'cov are welcomed also. And if some did change in devayse - tell also.
And yet does someone can can, to say something about him, in comparing to Fort-12Ð?
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@You go down on Ganzu all is there!!! And use a search!
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@searched there, nothing about this devays found, it is not possibly, and possibly I am not able yuzat' clearly search on ganze. I will thank if will help.
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@I have Rg88 only 9mm if to assume that one quality and difference only in a caliber that a pistol in polne is decent with fort had business can not say nothing about him. I use more than year nastrel approximately 200 misfires of klinov and td. nebilo never. Pair of one times after a shot shell of zastryavala in a window
Cartridges of teren 0.5gr neperevarivaet but with gramovym all is perfect. Problems with a pistol are present no. I consider a large plus a steel barrel but not presovanyy as at bol'shenstva of other models.
About 10x22 I also hear first, and naschet certifications of cartridges I nezamorachivayus' in free pradazhe they am permanent.
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@Pistol of Rg-88 - intended for the defeat of opponent in the distance to 10m. Udarno-spuskovoy mechanism of double type (Sa/da), cock type. Work of pistol is based on principle of free breech-block with the reliable system of safety devices and possibility of blocking of cock, both on a battle and on preventive platoon. It is similarly possible to use cartridges for gas pistols by a caliber 9 mm of R.A. with pyzhom having colouring: green color - single, yellow or red color is gas of Ss, blue, dark blue or violet color is gas of CN.
For acquisition of this pistol Permission is needed on acquisition of smooth-bore which can be got in a police domiciliary (district commissariat of police).
Testing of this pistol, and also other models you can look on a site: http://gunmagazine.com.ua/arhiv/10-2003 . index.shtm
AND gramme..but but a barrel is steel and it large plus as compared to other rs. Nazavite to me models which better for these money(300$)? and which are made from steel. For ukrainy important moment that a pistol is registered as gas and we know that in ukraine permission on rezinostrel the certain circles of citizens have a right ( workers of militia of court of office of public prosecutor and also journalists) .
WE are simple citizens of ukrainy own gas Rg88 and are certainly afraid of admin violation( carrying of cartridges with rez.puley) also of fine of 17griven approximately 100rub.

de aici va descurcati si voi

uomu · Post by **uomu** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:14 pm

munitia de care vorbiti este compatibila si cu pistolul glock 20
singurul fapt ce ma indemnat sa iau beretta de 9 mm si acum sa caut un revorver magnum este ca nu am gasit in tara munitie de 10 mm auto pt glock 20. doresc un echilibru f bun intre acuratete, penetrabilitate, forta de oprire si capacitate mare in incarcator. din ce am studiat pentru un pistol se pare ca cal 10 este ceea ce doresc.
daca imi spuneti unde gasesc si la ce pret 10 mm auto, atunci beretta si revorverul magnum sunt istorie pe langa glock 20
dau de baut silva negara sau un fane babanu

BARTHY 2 · Post by **BARTHY 2** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:14 pm

sorin mok wrote:

58 Mpa inseamna 580 Bari sau 580 atm. Nu stiu daca e mult sau putin. Tind sa cred ca e mult.

Edit.
Revin> 580 atm inseamna o presiune de 591kgf pe cm (patrat).

580 atmosfere? e enorm !! 150 are tubul de oxigen si treci dunarea cu el

sorin mok · Post by **sorin mok** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:17 pm

pai tu ai gasit valorile astea!

BARTHY 2 · Post by **BARTHY 2** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:18 pm

uomu wrote:munitia de care vorbiti este compatibila si cu pistolul glock 20
singurul fapt ce ma indemnat sa iau beretta de 9 mm si acum sa caut un revorver magnum este ca nu am gasit in tara munitie de 10 mm auto pt glock 20. doresc un echilibru f bun intre acuratete, penetrabilitate, forta de oprire si capacitate mare in incarcator. din ce am studiat pentru un pistol se pare ca cal 10 este ceea ce doresc.
daca imi spuneti unde gasesc si la ce pret 10 mm auto, atunci beretta si revorverul magnum sunt istorie pe langa glock 20
dau de baut silva negara sau un fane babanu

munitia despre care vorbim este traumatica; pai ce faci? lasi glontul pentru bilute de cauciuc?

BARTHY 2 · Post by **BARTHY 2** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:19 pm

sorin mok wrote:pai tu ai gasit valorile astea!

poate Mpa nu inseamna atmosfere....

sorin mok · Post by **sorin mok** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:21 pm

Mpa inseamna Megapascal, respectiv 1 milion Pascal.
Iar 1bar inseamna 100.000 Pa. Si 1 atm este aprope egala cu 1 bar.

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculatorPressure.htm

BARTHY 2 · Post by **BARTHY 2** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:31 pm

pareri ukrainiene despre rg88 la :

http://gunmagazine.com.ua/arhiv/10-2003 ... index.shtm

gunmagazine.com.ua wrote:Rg-88 has arrangement of AE-790G – namely removable internal insertions, enabling him to shoot both by gas and by traumatic live ammunitions.
At the incomplete sorting out and service he is similarly simple, as well as AE 790, weighs so much – 600 gramme, even what that alike outwardly.
Capacity of shop 7 cartridges. In general nothing prominent, in addition that any «samooboronschik» has a choice – to purchase AE or RG. True, for the last, however passing the Ukrainian certification and in fact officially being not «Traumatic» - problems are characteristic with registration and legalization for the permanent carrying.
Although in our country all is possible by wangle»...
To us in a club he got on the so-called testing – it was desirable to know what he in itself stands.
He showed grouped quite good – at least from 10 meters of bullet expressly lay down in the silhouette of man at the level of breast breaking through a dvp-shnyy shield on flight, taking into account that firing was conducted from the cartridges of TEREN-3, different very low quality, it is very nothing even.
Return the same as well as in the case of firing from AE, a delay works expressly, stopping a breech-block for the last cartridge in extreme back position. Prikladist, comfortably to shoot both from a left and from right arm.
We shot with Sashey-shmaysserom simultaneously on a the same target on throwing up is I with «Margolina» he with Rg-88. Apparently relative variation at firing from «snatching» out is insignificant. Bullets confidently broke through a shield leaving in «dvp» two rvannye holes.
In general, impression from Rg-88 positive, it is sorry that he until now is not certificated, would make a perceptible competition the models of series of AE and FORT-6.

BARTHY 2 · Post by **BARTHY 2** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:34 pm

sorin mok wrote:Mpa inseamna Megapascal, respectiv 1 milion Pascal.
Iar 1bar inseamna 100.000 Pa. Si 1 atm este aprope egala cu 1 bar.

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculatorPressure.htm

mda.....ai dreptate; asta inseamna ca arderea pulberii in tubul cartus la 10x22 creeaza o presiune de 580 de bari.

sorin mok · Post by **sorin mok** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:39 pm

Si mai inseamna cea: ca cineva greseste cand spune ca arma rezista la o putere de 100j, pentru ca de fapt arma rezista la o presiune de XXX bar sau atm!!! Pentru ca J masoara energia iar Pa presiunea!
Pai nu?

Deci, dl. Radu.B., cu riscul de asupara, cred ca ceva ramane neclar cand spuneti asta:

Pai eu spun ca camera cartusului(scuze cacofonia)-adica unde are loc explozia, rezista la o energie dezvoltata de 100j, pe cand dumneavoastra spuneti ca energia proiectilului la gura tevii (ce au masurat Babanu si Macarici) este de valorile care le-ati spus. Si acest lucru nu il contrazic.
Una este energia produsa in momentul exploziei pe care o sustin eu si alta este energia proiectilului la iesirea pe gura tevii care o spuneti dumneavoastra. Mai mult, in momentul impactului energia proiectilului este mult mai mica (este logic).

http://www.arw.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1336&start=15

Babanu · Post by **Babanu** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:32 am

cand am afirmat ca arma rezita la 100J am vrut defapt sa spun ca poti trage un glont care sa aiba 100J la gura tevii fara ca arma sa se sparga